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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:12 pm    Post subject: Interesting chart on LA family Reply with quote

Ran across this chart by accident, interesting but incomplete;
http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.com/2015/01/los-angeles-family-membership-chart.html
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one covers from the 70's on:
http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.com/search/label/Los%20Angeles
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Jo
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting how Charlie Dippolito is listed as "connected" and how they completely missed Johnny Russo. The inclusion of Joe Dip's brother-in-laws The Mineo's is interesting.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they missed a number of important figures but it could be a work in progress. Few if any of the Inland Empire contingent were listed and I attribute this to the lack of written info. It's not widely recognized how much influence the Dippolito crew wielded under Charlie Dip. Crime writers have relied almost exclusively upon Fratianno's two books which are notorious for the omissions they contain.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet they included John DeQuatrro and the Mineo's. That's a bit puzzling.......
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Charlie Dippolito is listed as "con"(Tom Dragna is listed the same) which I think means "Consigliere". I never heard any talk of Charlie being consigliere. Any of you??
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As respected as Charlie was, he never acted as the Consigliere of the Los Angeles family. There was never a need for Charlie to hold a rank. As you well know the Inland contingent was more powerful than Dragna's Los Angeles group. All of the political influence, the majority of the money made and contacts with major eastern figures was accomplished through the Dippolito faction. Real Estate, casino gambling, agriculture, lending 'legal and illicit,' prostitution, narcotics, untaxed liquor deals, were a few of the methods in which money was made. Support and financing of political figures was another key area where the group was extremely successful. Essentially the Dippolito's control extended from south to north from Tijuana to Las Vegas, and east to west from the western boundary of Pomona to Palm Springs. That's a huge swath of land. Considering the political clout of Senator and Congressman Swing, the Tavaglione family, former CIA director McCone, Senator Nixon, Cardinal Spellman and many others, is there a doubt this was not only the center of power in the Los Angeles family but one of the most influential in the country in the 60s?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all his east coast connections, why do you think that Charlie wasn't made until the mid 1940's under Jack?? He would have been in his late 50's at that point. Kind of long-in-tooth is the point I'm trying to make.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dynamics of the Los Angeles organization as it truly was during the mid to late 40s featured two dominant groups headed by Rosario Desimone and Salvatore Streva. These two factions were all that remained of the old backhand and prohibition era gangs which consisted of the rival Matranga/Buccola and Ardizzone/Cuccia families, the College Street, San Pedro and Beach Mobs. Desimone headed the College Street group and Streva the remnants of the old San Pedro gang. The Streva's were a power unto themselves running a thriving fruit business while serving as court interpreters for Italian immigrants. The prime figures were Salvatore aka Sam and his brother Tony. The Streva brothers mentored a young Jack Rizzotti aka Dragna in the ancient art of extortion earning him his first prison and last American prison stay.

I've written most of the available information on Rosario Desimone whom I dubbed the Chief many years ago. These were backhand operations which Charlie undoubtably knew of but had little if any reason to involve himself with when he came out west. Streva though successful locally and well connected in Italy, never mustered the political clout that Charlie did and Desimone though well connected, made his greatest contribution through the second generation of his blood family. As I've looked into the structure of these gangs and there operations, they were slow to develop as they constantly devolved into blood feuds. The Dippolito Inland faction used violence judiciously. It served a business purpose, in essence it was never personal. I know this sounds cliche but it is true. There isn't a single instance of the Inland Valley group conducting a Chicago style drive-bye shooting. There actions were taken up close and personal and out of the eye sight of witnesses.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the Inland group, did the Dippolitos work with/for Johnny Russo, or did they take over after his deportation??
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great question Jo, Johnny Russo and the Dippolito's operated in separate spheres with very little overlap. The Dippolito's were viewed as businessmen. It wasn't until the very end of Charlie's life that people began to question the legitimacy of their operation and this was due in large part to the McClellan hearings which re-introduced the spector of organized crime to the American public. Senator Kefauver's hearings really didn't touch on California in depth and contained virtually nothing on the Los Angeles and Inland Valley group. This was in large part the result of initiatives controlled by Senator Swing to provide Senator Kefauver with information gleaned from a 1947 report generated under the guidance of Governor Earl Warren and Admiral William H. Standley. As a result the Dippolito's were mentioned in passing as was Cappy Rotondo but no substantial details were mentioned. The Los Angles Police Department in conjunction with the FBI did more to expose the Dippolito's than any other agency and yet their efforts were largely unsuccessful due to the political connections of Charlie Dippolito.

Johnny Russo was not so fortunate. Johnny was alternately loved and loathed. Johnny's deportation was the result of a an ill-advised political power play. In essence he aligned himself on the wrong side of Senator Swing in the early '50s. Swing did nothing to protect Johnny from deportation in an episode that was remarkable for its oddities. There is a detailed description of Johnny's post deportation activities in another post so I will spare you a rehashing of events you've already read. I will point out that Johnny was the first to use the Hispanic gangs of Casablanca and Mt. Vernon to distribute narcotics. This model was adopted by the DeQuatro's who used their in-laws 'members of Los Angeles 38th Street gang and key participants in the sleepy hollow case,' to distribute narcotics. This truly was the birth of the Mexican Mafia in 1956, not the romanticized version circulating the internet and law enforcement seminars today.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out this readable LA Family chart circa 1975-ish. You can enlarge it to see the pictures and names clearly. Enjoy............
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/mafia/images/a/a5/La_crime_family_chart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160416193246
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