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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you asked "what was buried" I really was thinking "who" was buried under the old Palm Meadows Golf Course!! Seeing as Norton was a MAC base, it's anyones guess as to what came and went from that place. And why was anything of value stored there of all places?? Other than the front gate, it wasn't the most secure base as I remember. Nothing like March AFB which was a SAC base. And who were the other Roselli contacts that died the same day as Johnny??
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Beemoe Reply with quote

You mean other Roselli associates all died the same day! This is soooo good. So Johnny Roselli was a major connection between the upperworld and underworld. Kinda obvious. I can really see you twos fascination with him.

I remember that book written about him. In my ignorance didn`t see anything special. I`m looking at those pictures, does this tie into to Bugsy?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This does as wel as the death o r rather disappearance of "Clark Gable" Robert Booth Nicols. Let's clarify something there were 2 high profile deaths which occured on the same day. 1977 would prove a pivotal year as Roselli, Natalie Sinatra and Ray Ryan were 2 of Roselli's Friends to die.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see the Ray Ryan connection, but Dollie Sinatra??
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:01 pm    Post subject: Dolly Sinatra Reply with quote

Before we delve to deeply into this let me share something with you about Sinatra and the activities associated with his mothers lodge and Indian gaming. Palm Springs Lodge #3400 Order Sons of Italy in America was granted its charter from the Supreme Lodge Order Sons of Italy in America on May 1st, 1977. Itís charter members were Mark Carnevale, Emanuele Stellino, Salvatore DiBenedetto, Alan Livieri and James Nichols. On April 9th, 1984, the Supreme Lodge Order Sons of Italy in America approved, sealed and issued a revised charter, changing the name of the lodge to the Dolly Sinatra Lodge #2400. An affiliate of the Grand Lodge of the Golden West, Order Sons of Italy in America, the Order Sons of Italy in America was established in 1905 and now boast 85,000 members and 840 lodges and 60 grand lodges in the United States. The Lodge has honored an assortment of characters and personalities which include Richard and Anne Armento, Keely Smith, Mary Sorrentino, Jerry Vale, Sony Bono, Joseph DeLuca, Victor Federici, Josephine Lombardo, Ed Cucchiaarella, Dr. Frank R. Ercoli, Joseph Aguanno, Ernest G. Noia, Kathleen DeRosa, Pat Rizzo, Col. John (Jack) Brennan and Bobby Milano. Key figures associated with this Lodge are James Nichols the mysterious and presumably deceased Robert Booth Nichols and organized crime figures such as Rocco Zangari. All three played a prominent role in the establishment of legalized gaming at Cabazon.

➢ Attorney Ernest G. Noia
o Mr. Ernest G. Noia was an attorney specializing in Native American Law. Others ventures established by or associated with Mr. Noia were Noia Investment Inc., Indian Partners Inc., and the Native Development Corporation, Noia Building Limited Partnership in Palm Springs. He was listed along with Louise Korshak, Vincent Kickerillo and Rod Pacheco as a Director of the Barbara Sinatra Childrenís Center. Mr. Noia passed away in February of 2012.


➢ Jospeh De Luca
o Mr. De Luca owns and operates De Luca Jewelers in Palm Spings an enterprise which dates back to 1947 and the area now known as South Los Angeles. You may remember the name De Luca coming up in association with the murder of Herbie Blitzstein. As you may recall Herbie gave De Luca $25,000 to set up ďAny Auto RepairĒ in Las Vegas. The venture was said to have been a front for Blitzsteinís usurious lone business.


➢ Rocco Zangari
o former Cabazon Casino manager and associate of Peter John Milano and Vincent D. Caci both of whom were described as leaders in the Los Angeles crime family. Caci 'deceased' and Zangari were Buffalo natives who found trouble and infamy in the Palm Springs region.

These are important links because they show what Roselli, Fratianno and Milano were 'jointly' working to accomplish during the late 60s and early 70s. All were actively working toward obtaining a piece of a casino at the same time a notorious San Bernardino gambler was working behind the scenes to legalize gaming in the Palm Springs area. That figure was former OSS operative Robert Louis Garcia. As for Dolly's death. If you read the NTSB report one of the curious things about the crash is the location where the wreckage was found on Mt. San Gorgonio. I also found it interesting to note that the official reports states no effort was made to correct the flights direction, in essence it simply flew into a remote canyon and crashed. Why you might ask would any want to kill her? That lies in they mystery of the Lodge, Roselli and the Vatican.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that you say "Roselli, Fratianno and Milano were 'jointly' working ", yet in Fratiannos' book, he mentions nothing but contempt for Milano.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are absolutely correct Jo. However that is precisely what I am tackling here, the perception of organized crime based on the fictionalized version of events as Ed Becker, Hank Greenspun and Sen. Kefauver and later Jimmy Fratianno and Joe Bonanno presented them. I am of the opinion that Jimmy's defection was in reality an extraction. The extraction of a key asset for the purpose of securing the flow of information he possessed in regard to sensitive operations carried out under the auspices of Robert Maheu and the Hughes Corp. What we know about men like Roselli whose bio is a complete fabrication, To make this statement without evidence or an example would be to repeat the mistakes of others.

ROSELLI...

We've been told that Roselli 'a transplanted Boston native,' made his way to Los Angeles via Chicago where he was tasked with representing Capone in Los Angeles. This 'as detailed in a previous post,' ignores some key facts as they pertain to Roselli's role and inexplicably swift rise from obscurity. The fact that his place of origin is said to be Boston led me to consider the possibility of a longer and more detailed relationship between Johnny and the Kennedy family than is currently thought. It didn't take long to confirm this. Despite my suspicion that the two may have known each other prior to Roselli's emergence as a power in the movies with access to every important studio executive including the Schneck brothers, Cecil B. DeMille and RKO's Joseph P. Kennedy. The Kennedy connection was much closer than is generally acknowledged as Roselli's early strike breaking activities were enacted for Pat Casey "Will Rogers former manager," a representative of financier Elisha Walker. Walker was the money behind Kennedy's Hollywood stint.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat Casey was a longtime friend and business associate of John J. Murdock of Pathe film fame. Murdock operated the company on behalf of the aforementioned Elisha Walker. Walker 'an MIT grad who'd later move on to Kuhn & Loeb, was busy pouring money into a number of struggling movie companies in an effort to construct a monolith on par with the industrial operations at Ford, Standard Oil or US Steel. Using the private banking concern known as Blair & Co., Walker's presence represented power as his investment partners often included the Rockefeller's as well as J.P. Morgan & Co. Walker 'in conjunction with Jeremiah Milbank 'a politician' used J.P. Morgan funds to secure an interest in and ultimately merge Producers Distributing, Cecil B. De Mille Productions and Pathe Films into an early movie conglomerate. Despite a limitless supply of capital, the venture was not an instant money-maker therefore Walker and Milbank secured the services of Mr. Murdock to run their company. Murdock left his post as general manager of Keith-Albee to take over the newly constructed Pathe operation. Joining Murdock in the move was Pat Casey. A powerful trio was soon formed when Walker dispatched Murdock to secure the services of Joseph Kennedy. Using the funds secured by Elisha Walker, Murdock, Kennedy and Casey reshaped the movie business turning it into a profitable venture.

Johnny Roselli was already a fixture in the movie colony. His association with liquor smuggling and gambling enterprise operated by Anthony Cornero-Stralla provided contacts with all of the movie moguls particularly those with an affinity for games of chance and young female companionship. Roselli endeared himself with the Schenck brothers in their successful rebuff of the IATSE union in 1933. The Schenck-Casey connection pre-dated their movie colony endeavors to a time when Casey handled security for the brother's New York theatre business during the vaudeville era. In this instance Casey unleashed Roselli upon the striking unionists. So impressed were the studio heads with Roselli's skillful suppression of the union threat that he was granted a sort of retainer to maintain labor peace. The only acknowledgement of the Roselli and Kennedy link during this period contained in All-American Mafioso is found on page 96 and details golf outings at "the Hillcrest Country Club and Bel-Air Country Club... 'and of course the Arrowhead Springs Hotel which was once owned by a consortium headed by Joseph Schenck,' with... top names in the film industry, including Joseph Kennedy Sr...".

If this were all the evidence there was connecting Roselli and Joe Kennedy it would be enough but there is more. One of the more violent battles attributed to organized crime groups is the battle for the wire-service. Such infamous episodes as the brazen murders of James Ragen and Benjamin Siegel have been attributed to A series of events set in motion by the jailing of Mo Annenberg and several of his close associates. What has been left out of the explanation is the most important part of the story, the beginning. The origin of the dispute stems from the effort of A.P. Giannini to move into the New York banking territory controlled by J.P. Morgan & Co., in partnership with the Rockefeller banking interests at Chase. In June 1928 having recognized the limits of commercial banking Giannini began a capital expansion plan centered upon financing and distributing securities and fees earned from handling investments for institutional investors. Giannini had structured his company in such manner as it made it nearly impervious to hostile takeover. Giannini eyeing entry into New York via a long-established Wall Trust Company 'the Bank of America' which was the object of a contentious battle between E.M. Delafield (J.P. Morgan President) and Ralph Jonas of Manufactuerers Trust Co., of Brooklyn. Unable to subdue Jonas in their quest to control the trust via proxy, the Morgan's quietly switched their support to Giannini thinking he'd prove more pliable to their demands than the intensely stubborn Jonas. The Giannini's soon discovered the importance of their acquisition as it did a trust business with large estates and corporations at the heart of Wall Street. These trusts included strategic holding owned by Chase, City Bank, Guaranty, Bankers, Morgan and First National in trust. A.P., merged his three other banking units with his new acquisition a $400 million move. F.D. Bartow 'a Morgan partner arranged a meeting with Giannini where he was told to divest himself of all but 20% of Bank of America New York. The Federal Reserve soon chimed in claiming fears of sweetheart loans and market instability caused by potential investor panic that could result in catastrophic failure in the event of a reversal of market conditions. In response Giannini expressed his intention to retain his full ownership to which Jackson Reynolds of the First National Bank of N.Y., famously replied "if the Morgans tell you to lie down and let them walk over you, if I were you I'd do it. After a brief capitulation, Giannini moved on in independent fashion. The stage was set for an epic battle.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Giannini eyeing entry into New York via a long-established Wall Trust Company 'the Bank of America' which was the object of a contentious battle between E.M. Delafield (J.P. Morgan President) and Ralph Jonas of Manufactuerers Trust Co., of Brooklyn.


Fearful of the exposure of secrets the Morgan-Rockefeller combination had sought to hide via the 'Bank of America Trust' an all out campaign was initiated against Giannini, a familiar ploy enacted many times before with great success. However Giannini was equal to the challenge, he understood the value of information particularly information pertaining to dubious business transactions with foreign governments during a time of tremendous financial constraint. The situation was made al the more tenuous by rumblings 'later confirmed and carried out under the direction of New York's Ferdinand Pecora' of government hearings relative to the activities of investment banks and securities exchanges. Of considerable interest to investigators were mass bond issuances by foreign governments, cities, provinces and corporations totaling $8 billion dollars. By the time Pecora began his examination of these practices $3 billion of that total had gone into default. Nearly all had been placed in the hands of American investors by a select group of investment firms 'Morgan's National City Company, Kidder, Peabody, Dillon, Read, J &W Seligman and Kuhn & Loeb' during the rip-roaring '20s. Most shocking to the public were disclosures that many of the foreign placements had been undertaken against the advice of officers of the State Department and their own internal investigators who both warned that loans to governments such as those issued to Peru and Bolivia were high risk. In the case of Seligman, not only had they gone ahead with the issuance of a $50 million loan at 7% to Augusto Leguia's dictatorship in Peru, but the transaction included a $500,000 "fee" paid to one of Leguia's sons.

Of considerable interest to investigators were the details of transactions in relation to the very high spread of 5 or more points undertaken by the underwriters netting profits as high as $90 million on transaction fees alone. Other details such as the high pressure sales methods employed by the securities affiliates of large banking operations such as National City Company, Chase Securities, Guaranty Company and or underwriting firms such as Kuhn & Loeb, Dillon, Read and Seligman upon small sub-brokers. As the Morgan's continued to press Giannini to divest himself of all but a 20% stake in the Bank of America, more damaging disclosures emerged. In detailed fashion exposure of the National City Companies operations emerged. The public learned that the company operated 69 district offices in every principal city in the country staffed by hundreds of bonds salesmen offering the tainted foreign bond loans in addition to National City Bank stock. Under the direction of Charles E. Mitchell the City Bank's affiliates peddled $3 billion worth of new securities 'many of which went to profit dubious foreign regimes in South America.' Coincidentally A. P. Giannini was never called to testify in regard to these disclosures nor any of the activities of his banking, securities or mortgage groups nor his own securities selling affiliate Transamerica 'later rolled into the Bank of America, N.A., fold. As damaging publicly as the Pecora disclosures had been, the pressure applied to Giannini's overall banking structure by the Morgan dominated Federal Reserve took its toll.

By the end of 1931 Transamerica owed its parent company 'Bank of America, N.A.,' approximately $51 million. Much of this debt had been incurred as Giannini battled to peg its market price as well as those of affiliated corporate securities while offsetting defaulting loans and other non-profitable investments. With heavy deposit losses, the Federal Reserve pressed Giannini to liquidate Transamerica or repay the $51 million owed to Bank of America. Saddled with a mountain of slow paper assumed in the purchase of Merchant's Bank of Los Angeles. The demand was an obvious ploy by the Federal Reserve to secure control of the 500,000 shares of Bank of America of New York stock held by Transamerica. Giannini 'whose announced retirement in February, 1930' had been met with skepticism had continued to exercise control of the enterprise through his brother Mario who served as President of the concern. The Federal Reserve breathed a sigh of relief when Elisha Walker 'Joseph Kennedy's Hollywood financier' assumed the chairmanship of Transamerica. When Walker who'd served a stint as the head of Blair & Co., bankers 'so named for its founder J. Insley Blair' merged that entity with Giannini's Bank of America outfit it was widely regarded as a move that signaled his eventual rise to the top of the company. In short order Elisha Walker would be exposed as Brutus to Giannini's Caesar.


THE WALKER SAGA

Elisha Walker as senior partner of Blair & Co. merged with Bank of America in 1929, forming Bancamerica-Blair Corporation, which fel under the ownership of the Transamerica Corporation. Elisha Walker was appointed chairman of Transamerica Corporation in January 1930 with Jean Monnet assuming the post of vice-chairman. Giannini soon thereafter announced his plan to retire to Italy, retaining his position as chairman of Transamerica's Advisory Board. On September 23, 1931, Walker announced a shocking plan to divest Transamerica of most of its nation-wide banking assets. This of course included the 500,000 shares of Bank of America N.A., the Federal Reserve of New York had long sought to reacquire. Secondary in importance to this development was the announced assumption of majority control in Transamerica by Lee, Higginson & Co., a Wall Street investment bank which started to fund the Nazis around this time. Three directors of Lee, Higginson & Co., were added to the Transamerica board of directors while both Giannini's were among 19 directors dropped from the board. The following day the opening salvo in a long and curious fight by A.P. Giannini to reclaim control of his banking empire was opened. Siding against Giannini in the fight was James A. Bacigalupi whose ties to organized crime figures in the San Bernardino valley were key to the rise of the Dippolito family as they assumed control of a large segment of the old Italian Vineyard Company properties. The battle by Giannini to regain control of his banking interests proved shockingly brief as Walker and Monet were both ousted from Transamerica by February 1931 having failed in their bid to transfer control of the coveted 500,000 shares of Bank of America N.Y., stock back under the control of forces pliable to the wishes of the Morgan-Rockefeller combine. They were successful however in forcing the divestiture of a small seemingly insignificant holding that was Transamerica's wire service. Walker would go onto assume a partnership position at Kuhn & Loeb while his former partner and Nazi collaborator Jean Monet accepted an offer to establish the Chinese Development Bank an association that later led to the rise of Chiang Kai-Shek and the Asian heroin market.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Transamerica's history from this point is pretty well known as control of the wire service later passed into the hands of Moe Annenberg. Annenberg a former employee of William R. Hearst generated an estimated $6 million annually derived alternately from his publishing ventures which included race tip sheets distributed in New York, Chicago, Cincinnati, New Orleans, Los Angeles and Seattle and fees charged to handbook operators that supplied up to date information on race results from all of the nations active racetracks. So large was the operation that the only customers doing more business with the American Telephone & Telegraph Company (AT&T) were said to have been the Associated Press (AP) United Press (UP), International News Service and Radio Corporation of America (RCA). Coincidentally 'perhaps' AT&T and RCA were deeply engaged in the activities of the OSS and the events leading up to World War II. As detailed in the explanation of the origins of Transamerica, even the more detailed period is steeped in mythology and conjecture as a legion of authors have attempted to reconstruct the history of the wire-service and the battle to control and retain control of its profits. Organized crime groups have been credited with the violence that claimed the lives of James Ragen and later Ben Siegel but evidence suggests the true nature of these outburst may be attributable to the corporate directors who fought to control their international secrets. With all of this in mind is there any good reason for the exlusion of the connection between Joseph Kennedy and Elisha Walker as it relates to the rise of Johnny Roselli as a power through the wire serivce business?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:48 am    Post subject: Beemoe Reply with quote

I`m in Boston and I see the Kennedy name all around me. I never really thought about it before but The Kennedys and Fitzgeralds along with Micheal Curley really controlled people like King Solomon and The Patriarcas etc........the other part of your article on Bugsy and the Allen smiley connection. That Hearst thang reminds me of "Imperial San Francisco". This is going to take a few days to digest.

Anything that I need to take a look at while in Boston?

I take it that people like The Hearsts controlled Mickey Cohen among others?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:32 pm    Post subject: Beemoe Reply with quote

The more I think about it....it seems that The Hearsts are the other part of the equation on the West Coast. A la The Rockefellers or The Agnellis or The Warburgs so too The Hearsts. I`m mad at myself because I had all these books on this subject years ago and let them go. I need to get back to those books concerning these people like Andre Meyer.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are absolutely right about the Hearst role on the west coast. If you continue to work down one level at a time what's next?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Beemoe Reply with quote

Interesting sense of humor! I`m assuming you mean various politicians a la Willie Brown or their role that was detailed in "Imperial San Francisco"?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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